Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Fizzee, Jun 19, 2013.

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    Fizzee Veteran BOON

    This is pretty huge news, so even though this is a PC gaming community, I thought I should share:


    Region lock... Gone
    Discs can be shared.
    24hour check-in.... Gone
    You can still buy games digitally which can't be shared/resold.
    Disc based games will need to be in disk tray.
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    F U R I E Veteran BOON

    Still nothing about kinect
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    Fizzee Veteran BOON

    what about it?
    They already said you could disable it... if you're that worried, put some tape over the lens
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    F U R I E Veteran BOON

    I just find funny to give so much power to a device like that.
    Someone enters your room, "xbox off", bam gone. Someone on party voice chat says "xbox off", everyone dc's.

    Without even going into the whole surveillance NSA program for which kinect seems to be the best device to control half of the world's living rooms.
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    Fizzee Veteran BOON

    the current kinect has it... most people just turn it off. It's a feature, not a requirement.
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    F U R I E Veteran BOON

    As far as i understood its a requirement on the xbox one, there is not even a power switch on the console.
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    Doodle Bush Whacker!

    i will still be buying the PS4. Them doing a turn around is fine and all but the damage is already done. They can't expect to fuck people in the ass then pull it out and dip it in the right hole all of a sudden and everything is fine and dandy again (yeah, i just compared it like that)

    Nah they need to suffer!
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    Firoz Veteran BOON

    It's only smellz, Doodle.
    It's a good think they listen to the costumers! This action will actually give them extra customers tbh.
    And alot ( Fizzee ) of people will not buy PS4 instead of Xbox one now.

    Microsoft fanboi here! ;)
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    adagio Moderator

    I give it 6 months before they reinstall the drm and then change the terms of service.
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    Aspira Admin Officer

    Not surprising they have done this considering how poor they performed at E3.

    However, you have to remember that all of the infrastructure to turn all these "features" back on are already there, they have simply disabled them.

    As a person who rarely games on a console, the Xbox360 was my console of choice, however I have my PS4 pre-ordered and there is nothing that will change my mind now. As people have said, the damage is done and I don't trust them.
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    Fizzee Veteran BOON

    alot of people.jpg

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    adagio Moderator

    They will already have a plan in place. Most likely we will see EA and other publishers being giving free reign on the drm a game uses.Then MS can us the old its up to the publishers what drm they use routine.

    Plus the whole do you actually own the game may struggle in some countries due to laws.
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    Gekido Community Member

    Dont know how about you guys, but certainly ain't buying Xbone, learned my lesson with 360. Xbox just doesn't have exclusive titles that are worth my time, every good game that is on xbox is on the PC or PS aswell, except for Forza, but ps4 has GT which is a much better driving simulator (matter of opinion ofcourse, but i feel that most of you will agree), so my Xbox was gathering dust FOR YEARS - worst investment of my lifetime. On the other hand PS has soo much exclusive titles that I love and that I can't play neither on Xbox, nor on PC. Imho xbox is for CoD kids, and I still cant understand how ppl play those shooters with a fing controller.

    Oh yeah kinect games..... FUCK THOSE! (sorry for lenguage)

    So my money goes to PS4, I suggest you do the same, if you're thinking about buying nextgen console - just a friendly advice!
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    Drexciyian Veteran BOON

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    Aspira Admin Officer

    So having had some time to think about this new information from Microsoft, I think it will be enough to save the sinking ship, but not enough to bring back all of the lost customers.

    Firstly, I am not an Xbox or Microsoft hater, even if I do post stuff at times that would seem like I am (we all like to troll at times). I started of with Sega's and Nintendo's and yes it is true that I have a massive library of games for my Playstation and Playstation 2, however I only acquired a Playstation 3 in the last week to play "The Last of Us". My console of choice for the last 7 years has been the Xbox 360 as it was the better console. So I have no brand loyalty to Sony or Microsoft, I simply buy the console I think is the best value for money.

    So, without taking the recent announcement from Microsoft into account, I made the decision (based on the information available at the end of E3) to switch from Xbox to Playstation. My reasoning for this was first and foremost, it's almost £100 cheaper, and with the crazy high price tags on console games (yes I am used to paying STEAM prices for my PC games) that saving of £100 is an extra two games on release day for the same money as an Xbox One with no games. Further to the obvious price difference, I didn't like many of the policies of the Xbox like most other people. The DRM was far to over the top and intrusive, the TV features didn't interest me, the mandatory online connection was not suitable for me (I live in a rural area with unreliable internet, last time it went down, it was down for almost 4 weeks) and the mandatory Kinect aka "NSA spycam" just did nothing to enhance my gaming experience. So based on this E3 information, I pre-ordered a PS4.

    I then saw this thread and read through the announcement and the changes they are making and I was genuinely surprised. Since the initial unveiling and all the way through E3, they were touting the Xbox One as "the future". All the policies it had were "the future" and you needed them because "the future". I was honestly surprised that they changed anything because although I didn't agree with any of the policies it had, you could tell the guys from Microsoft did agree with them and they really wanted us to. They had a lot of belief in the console and in my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised that if in eight years time when the gen-9 consoles are being unveiled, many of the Xbox One's original policies will be standard practice. I think the Xbox One in its original form was a little ahead of its time and the changes they have made are probably going to save it from being a huge failure.

    However... as I said, you could tell from the Microsoft guys at E3 that they genuinely thought the Xbox One was amazing. They had so much belief in it that they looked surprised when people were not warming to it. Call me cynical, but I just can't help but think that they will try and re-activate some of the original features/policies over the lifespan of the console (since all the infrastructure is already there). If they phase in the original policies over time, maybe people wont notice/care compared to being hit with it all in one go.

    Anyways, I am an PC gamer first and foremost, but they Xbox 360 was my console of choice. Even with the new changes to the Xbox One Microsoft have announced, I will still be switching to PS4 because I feel that is the better value for money and speaks to me more as a gamer then the Xbox One does. That said, I think Microsoft deserve some credit for what they have done as it takes some balls to come out and admit that they were wrong and make the changes people want, I think the Xbox One will now be a good competitor for the PS4 which is great for everyone, but I think for a lot of people this news is too little too late.
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    Maskerad Veteran BOON


    I think the biggest thing that people are missing is that Microsoft did something genuinely new, as opposed to PS3^2. The cloud computing thing -does- look a little bit cool, and seeing "real" mmos on consoles also entices me a bit. However, ultimately they did this in a very blunt way. For example, with the Kinect always-on-feature they should probably have had clauses like "we will not sell this information" or "this information never leaves your console". With the always on internet, they should've highlighted the innovation instead of responding to the critizism.

    Ultimately, with this they are forcing the game developers to make the choice they wanted them to avoid in the first place, and it's a big slap in the face for all devs that have been making games before this announcement; If the game requires always-on features now, it will be down to the dev. And I doubt any dev is going to go "We'll pass up on potential sales for this non-vital feature."
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    F U R I E Veteran BOON

    Im sorry but i dont agree that cloud processing will be that incredible thing microsoft is trying to make us all believe; there are serious limitations on the technology, latency being the main one. Any instruction sent to the cloud to be processed and then sent back to the console will on avarage take 100-200ms, on comparison having it processed on site takes 2-10 ms. Which means you cant have any important instruction "outsourced" to the cloud, but only secondary, unimportant ones just like Simcity did (and failed).
    Other features of the cloud technology like shared save files are already on the PS3 with the PS+ subscription, and with Gaikai PS4 owners will be able to play games fully processed on the cloud.
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    Maskerad Veteran BOON

    I agree with you, in that it's current iteration it could not be that fantastic. However, much the same way STEAM was shit in the start, I think it's way overdue for a real attempt.
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