Operative Specs

PvP Medic: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401MffMzhRRdsZ0cZGb.1

PvE Medic: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401MffbdGoRdsZ0cZG.1

PvP Concealment: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#4010cZGhMRdkrffzZhM.1

PvE Lethality: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#4010cZhZGrbkrrGdhR.1

PvP Agressive Hybrid: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401MffMzhRkzZMIhR0zM.1


Bear in mind I've been healing hardmodes with PvP spec, so I very much doubt the PvE spec is actually needed in any circumstances, all it does is make your Diagnostic Scan crit more often and give you a bit of energy back when it crits.

Furthermore, Lethality is FAR higher sustained damage and worthwhile in PvE raids. Bear in mind you really do need Enforcer gear on it cause of the accuracy, since Cull and Weakening Blast count as Ranged attacks and therefore can more easily miss, and if they do, it's a massive loss of dps.

not sure u wanna take the patient studies tree. from what ive seen of operative in pvp so far, diagnostic scan seems rather inferior and ur proly better off with 4% reduced damage taken.

http://torguild.net/calculator/impe...000002032322012032121123123000000000000000000

I'm guessing that would be the alternative then?

that works tho ive seen ppl specc into infiltrator (15% movement speed) for pvp since you can kite the shit out of ppl with all ur instant heals. energy restore talents are rather neglectable with how strong stim boost is imo D:

Sprint does not bring you above 100% speed in stealth. Basicly making that talent useless unless you spec it for the improved stealth and nothing else. With the way sprint works (only out of combat) and the fact that you can only stealth while out of combat means that you will always have sprint up while in stealth giving you effectivly 100% run speed. The assassin has the same issue with its stealth talent.

Infiltrator: Increases MOVEMENT SPEED by 5/10/15% and effective stealth level by 1/2/3. L2READ.

What you mean is Obfuscation Doodle. Don't mix it up

No you missunderstood my point and I CBa to explain it properly via my iPhone...

Kephir help me out plx

very true. you brought up sprint and stealth to a talent thats not related to sprint and movement while stealthed at all, I really dont see your point

What I believe doodle is trying to say is that if you're out of combat in pvp, you're going to be in stealth most likely. And consequently you're not gonna get the sprint movement bonus, and thus making it useless.

Thing is, I don't think you'll always be in stealth, it's handy for moving around

No

the increase to movement speed is while stealthed only im 99% sure of that unless things changed over the weekend but when the server is back up i will take a screenshot. I am not talking out of my ass here, i have been playing this class and the beta for some time now =) so i dont need to learn to read my facts are actually from playing the game.

3 times 5% increase in stealth makes you run at 100% in stealth instead of 85% speed. since sprint already does this (and is always up while you are stealthed) and run speed is capped at 100% speed while stealthed........ the talent is useless unless you take it purely for sneaking around because of the increased stealth lvl. The talent has never increased your movement speed OUTSIDE of stealth in any of the builds i have played and i did not notice assassins (since they have the exact same talents and hey i actually have a shadow at lvl 46 and i have this talent maxed out for pve sneaking purposes) nor operatives moving faster then me this weekend either

Cannot make it more clear than this. Your source is wrong!

Yush that makes perfect sense. It is possible balmung's source is wrong, there's a LOT of guides/posts that have outdated info, me and allstar discovered that recently too over the sorcerer.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=682911
http://www.torhead.com/ability/a7DVOmk
still think ur wrong
on another note, according to all recently updated talent calculators i found: operative and assassin DO NOT have the same talent

anyway I should drop it and wait for the final release of the game as this talent obviously has been changed recently. so I will cease to insist that im right and accept that I might be wrong, at least until the game is out

My PvP spec

I sacrifice 2 points in Sedatives to pick up 2 points in Slip Away.

Sleep Dart is a potent ability but its really situational. How often as a healer are you going to find a use to be running around in stealth finding out of combat enemies?

Debilitate however is a life saver, reducing its cooldown is amazing and having it give a massive speed boost contributes heavily to LOLOL I KITE U

very nice spec...and oh hey look! another talent calculator that says infiltrator increases movement speed...im starting to see a pattern here D:

I admit defeat but this has to be some new shit!

Nerf it

15% movement speed for pvp makes me wet

Yeah I considered speccing for it, but I reasoned that taking 1/3 off Debilitate cooldown and a 30% speed buff every 30sec was more valuable but I'll certainly try both

50% damage-done reduction on sedatives is a lot tho, especially in pvp Can we work around this?

It is, but you won't be running around in stealth sapping people on a healer as often as you'll be stunning the irritating MDPS baddie (Tvar) trying to interrupt you