Tech Help HDD>SSD Cloning

Discussion in 'Tech Help' started by Astarael, Feb 1, 2012.

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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    It's been awhile since I forayed outside my workplace safety zone, so I'm a bit behind on current line hardware/software, so I figure someone will have some insight into this (probably you Yuni).

    I have a raptor 300gb drive, but want to upgrade to an SSD, probably this one:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/261747-intel-...-5-sata-ii-read-270mb-s-write-ssdsa2cw300g3k5

    but maybe this one based on what whoever responds recommends

    http://www.ebuyer.com/253860-intel-...5-sata-iii-read-500mb-s-write-ssdsc2mh250a2k5

    The issue isn't really the choice, but how to clone my current drive onto the new one. Reformatting windows onto it isn't really an option. I have too many pieces of licensed software installed and too many games/preferences I don't want to reconfigure. Plus I don't have the time.

    The software i've found while browsing is pretty much clonezilla, Acronis or norton ghost, and I'm leaning towards Acronis. Price isn't an issue because my workplace will license it and i'll use that. Anyone have any experience with this?

    TLDR; Which Cloning Software works best/easiest? Clonezilla, Acronis, Norton Ghost
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    Balmung Veteran BOON

    Me and a couple tech buddies from work done several attempts now to clone an exisiting windows OS from a HDD to a SDD. I'd stronly advise you against it. we only got half of them to work and only with overwriting tons of exisiting system drivers and configurations. most issues gave us properly installing and running the proper ahci controller. we usually had a very noticable loss in performance - especially when booting; or serious issues with the OS crashing.
    you may also wanna know theres proly tons of files on ur old HDD clone that are now totally useless on ur SSD, but u'll never be able to find and remove all of it while they take up tons of precious space on ur SSD.

    alot of techs alot suggest that using a clone from a HDD on a SSD will wear out ur SSD much quicker coz of all the pointless r/w access. ur choice tho. if u must do it i suggest you use win7 and make sure the partition you clone is properly 4KB aligned using a 1024K offset. this is essential for cloning it to a SSD. also dont forget to make the proper ahci registry changes, windows wont do it itself after changing to a SSD.
    also heard alot ppl suggesting you use win7 own image software for cloning, as it seems to offer a much stabler result.

    cheers
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    Tent Community Member

    As for the SSD, I would go for the 510. It's got the sata-600 connector.
    Balmung is right about the configuration, but all windows based settings can be set by running Intel SSD toolbox (provided).
    This leaves partitioning to you, but there is a good chance you are already running 4k blocks @ 1024.

    I think the pointless r/w is a far stretch, SSD's have a 100.000 write cycle for each block (I think, not entirely up to date).
    To shorten the SSD's lifespan below 5 years total it would have to write at double it's maximum capacity 24 hours a day for 3 years or so. In which case you have your warranty to cover it.. so no problems there (as long as you have proper backups).

    Don't really have recommendations as to which program to use, last time I used one was maybe 8 years ago (excluding a semi emergency where I used some freeware thing that actually worked).
    Let us know what you ended up picking and how it worked out should you go for it.
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    bought the 510 intel drive, going to do a fresh windows 7 install one evening this week. Backed up most of my games so it'll only really be the basic patching that needs doing, not too much lost.

    Also went from 6gb of ram (which was 1600mhz but was apparently set in bios to 1333...), to 24gb of 1600mhz speed ram (set properly). Bluescreened the shit out of my PC at first when I installed, but eventually I realised the voltage was set too low and it's working great now. Massive speed boost.
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    adagio Moderator

    Just the 24gbs of memory? I hate to think what you do that needs that much.

    I felt smug about my 8gbs but now I just feel inadequate.
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    Well I was only going to upgrade a little bit, but I figured I'd be better off with 24gb so I could keep HD porn running on 6 monitors at once.



    but really, it was just so damned cheap I figured why not fill all the slots in my PC to capacity. cost me like £70 for all 6 4gb sticks from a solid model (corsair vengeance)
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    Tal The Architect

    Btw, just in case people are reading this and are about to buy 24GB of RAM...

    You need to have Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise or Ultimate installed as Home Premium only supports a maximum of 16GB.
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    adagio Moderator

    It makes absolute sense to buy memory for your machine at this point in time. Shame hdds aren't matching the low prices due to nature.
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    Tent Community Member

    Nice, 24 GB. puts my 16 GB to shame already :p.
    Hope your memory runs at or below 1.65v though? Intel warns it could permanently damage the cpu otherwise.
    (That may or may not have happened to one of my old machines :D)

    Must have picked up somewhat older memory, most new stuff runs on 1.5v because of it.
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    Yeah, it runs at 1.5v, It was originally set to 1.35 which was causing the bluescreen issue. And like Tal said, yep, has to be Professional or above for more than 16gb.
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    well, that went.. not ideally.

    as i was carefully removing the old HDD, I slightly nudged my heatsink and the whole thing fell off, apparently I had poorly installed it the first time.

    After several hours and much stress managed to get it correctly installed. hard drive working as well, just updating machine!

    alls good in the end.
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    Aspira Admin Officer

    I think the only panic comparable to the panic you get when you think you have broken an expensive PC component is the panic you get when you get your arm or head stuck in something.

    Glad to hear you got it all installed and working dude.
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    I've had my head stuck in something, this was definitly worse.
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    Tent Community Member

    You nudged the heatsink and it fell off!?
    Be glad it didn't while it was running lol
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    well yes yuni, I am glad for that :p

    furthering on my disaster of a PC installation, after a sizable amount of use since installation I wasn't massively pleased with the speed increase from HDD > SSD, when I really should be based on the awesomeness of this drive. I googled around, found lots of SSD tweaks, the main one is setting your controller to AHCI which I thought windows would do but apparently I was supposed to do manually before windows installation.

    So now, I have to use some intel tool to update the firmware on my drive (because I might as well if I have to wipe it again), then do a secure wipe, then change to AHCI in the bios, then install windows all over again. Another day wasted!

    ....but im kinda excited to see the end performance. According to a few benchmarks i ran today it's running at 1/3 of the expected speed. It should be insane once working properly.
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    Balmung Veteran BOON

    care to show us an as ssd benchmark result asta? id be eager to know how the intel 510 performes :) cheers mate
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    all set on AHCI now, benchmark incoming for balmung, but im still not happy with the result. Unless you can tell me something other than what im seeing, the speeds it's reporting seem lower than what the drive offers. Since putting AHCI on and reinstalling i've used the intel SSD toolbox to tune it up a bit, and used the ssd tweak tool, not sure what else I can do.

    Afaik, atm I don't have the intel rapid storage technology drivers or program installed, is this something I should get onto?
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

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    Balmung Veteran BOON

    of course there are other benchmark tools like ATTO disk benchmark, which will give you hypothetical numbers, proly somewhere between 400-500MB/s...thats why I asked you to post the AS SSD one, which is much much closer to the actual numbers you will get from ur drive in everyday situations like playing a game or opening a program, and thus is the result that counts, not some hypothetical numbers you will never reach in reality.

    here's mine from my gaming SSD, i get 400+ MB/s with atto, but this is close to what you are getting in RL.
    [IMG]

    go ahead and try it with atto disk benchmark, it will proly make ya feel better about ur SSD :p
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    Astarael Vertically Challenged

    not really into feeling better about theoretical numbers it should have but doesn't realistically give. Only interested in actual performance.

    The 240gb version of your drive is half the price of the 510, so I figure the problem with mine must be something to do with my configuration.

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